tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post4798235026418328919..comments2023-10-09T12:55:26.688-04:00Comments on The Burning Taper: Arkansas Grand Lodge forbids Masons buying state Masonic license platesWidow's Sonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-25110337493097201372012-11-15T05:30:27.945-05:002012-11-15T05:30:27.945-05:00In my biology lesson we are burning foods to find ...In my biology lesson we are burning foods to find out how much energy they contain. We are setting the food on fire, then putting it under some water. When the food has finished burning we measure the water temperature and note the difference of before and after. Is there a simple way to stop some of the heat escaping from the food and into the air, when it doesn't transfer to the food? Any help appreciated.<br /><br />regards,<br /><a href="http://hvactrainingpro.com/hvac-schools-in-arkansas/" rel="nofollow">hvac training in AR</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466011830939482812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-46198606768032021192011-12-13T11:45:09.279-05:002011-12-13T11:45:09.279-05:00Thank you, PCW, for showing a different possibilit...Thank you, PCW, for showing a different possibility to the matter. I didn't like what I saw in the posting, yet wasn't ready to condemn too quickly. I'll leave that to the prejudiced and racists. Still unsure, yet it gives further room for thought.The K.N.O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12355954452159078065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-76460299102067958552011-12-11T18:25:37.761-05:002011-12-11T18:25:37.761-05:00Wow. I think everyone has missed something here. T...Wow. I think everyone has missed something here. The Grand Lodge of Arkansas doesn't receive any of the funds from the sale of those plates. Only the PH Masons do. That is why they asked F&AM masons in Arkansas not to buy them. Besides isn't Prince Hall AF&AM and the Grand Lodge of Arkansas F&AM. I think that is more of the basis of why there hasn't been reconciliation. The desire has to be on both sides.PCWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823328140266168994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-16974844228892516532011-12-03T08:35:22.911-05:002011-12-03T08:35:22.911-05:00Most people do not know or understand the territor...Most people do not know or understand the territorial jurisdiction, and never will. They see the mainstream of the former Confederacy refused to recognize its masonry cottages black men. I can assure you, most do not want to masons and isolation, will not lead to politically incorrect, but because it is just plain old incorrect period.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.thebuytoletbusiness.com/" rel="nofollow">Buy to let mortgage</a>chief gabrilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12508507717414183668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-29481936570265349082011-03-25T19:43:02.497-04:002011-03-25T19:43:02.497-04:00If even half of this story is true, it's sad. ...If even half of this story is true, it's sad. I know of some one in Oregon who was blackballed by another who moved to Oregon from Arkansas. Why, you ask? Because he was a Mormon. After a year battle, he was admitted to another lodge, but it was pulling teeth.Jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17989140821603147375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-1363135043123023092011-01-26T00:47:24.829-05:002011-01-26T00:47:24.829-05:00Being a Florida Mason I feel the frustration of ma...Being a Florida Mason I feel the frustration of many of the brothers outside the south. All excuses I have heard from the old timers, who are the majority of the problem, are weak at best. Virtually all the younger and middle aged Masons I know agree. Surely time will tell. Masonry transcends all barriers except atheism; race should not be an issue. I would hate to think it can be perpetuated too much longer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03755935570123507177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-9695294195761149042011-01-12T14:00:04.528-05:002011-01-12T14:00:04.528-05:00Personally I think it is a bad idea to blindly fol...Personally I think it is a bad idea to blindly follow any entity (Grand Lodges included) under the guise that one was just following orders.<br /><br /><br />Past Master ScottSR Bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432531561047745423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-23779339908472659472010-12-31T06:31:30.088-05:002010-12-31T06:31:30.088-05:00I was referring to the major officers of the Grand...I was referring to the major officers of the Grand Lodge of Arkansas, and not all Masons South. I wanted to become a Mason for a very long time, but my sister will not allow me to join the organization with these issues.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://astronutrition.com/diet-energy/ephedrine-ephedra" rel="nofollow">eca stack</a>stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03243579745086182559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-70042589136617011682010-11-30T11:54:26.983-05:002010-11-30T11:54:26.983-05:00Greetings, Brethren...
I'm excited to have ru...Greetings, Brethren...<br /><br />I'm excited to have run across this site, and have been digesting its contents with much zeal over the past 48 hours. I hail from Florida, and I am also PHA. Recently, I made an attempt to petition the AAONMS. My communication with my mentor has been via phone and e-mail, thus far...and since I speak and write standard English, there aren't any clues as to my ethnicity - and I don't think that it should really matter.<br /><br />However, I'm interested in the AAONMS vs. the PHA Shrine because of their direct affiliation with the children's hospital, and that means a lot to me.<br /><br />This is not an attempt to deceive anyone by any means. I've read that as long as the Lodge from which you were raised is recognized by the Conference of Grand Masters of Masons in North America, a Brother is eligible for membership.<br /><br />I'm not sure as to how this will unfold, but from some of the discussions on here, it doesn't seem too promising.<br /><br />Anyway, I'd love some feed-back on this. <br /><br />Let's keep working together to sp***d the c*m*nt of Brotherly Love and Affection!!<br /><br /><br />Bro. Brown<br />Rising Sun Lodge No. 10<br />Gainesville, FloridaRising Sun #10https://www.blogger.com/profile/12363245543211165006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-40863296899609355692010-10-22T19:56:28.074-04:002010-10-22T19:56:28.074-04:00According to Tom Accuosti's link, the good ole...According to Tom Accuosti's link, the good ole southern states still refuses to recognize PH Lodges. Some things never change. The ole confederates still exists. The demographics doesn't lie. Look for yourself.<br /><br />http://bessel.org/masrec/phachart.htmUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055746579724690776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-82480575929143150682010-08-07T10:13:54.461-04:002010-08-07T10:13:54.461-04:00Apparently this is the one rule that CANNOT be bro...Apparently this is the one rule that CANNOT be broken by ARGL?<br /><br />It seems that there is a plethora of records showing that ARGL, particularly its leadership, have and continue to break the rules on continuous occasion. <br /><br />Now Bro. Greg points out that ARGL cannot break rules.<br /><br />Fascinating! One must love continuing a quest for light on the never-ending stair case. Please continue the optical allusions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-16814135608589514332010-08-04T16:27:33.947-04:002010-08-04T16:27:33.947-04:00The GL of Arkansas has not been blocking recogniti...The GL of Arkansas has not been blocking recognition of P.H.A. The Prince hall Grand lodge has to petition the Grand lodge of Arkansas for recognition which they have not. Too many people have been portraying this as racism or segregation and it's not. The Grand lodge cannot vote on recognition without a petition. It's a rule and it can't be broken. I don't claim to speak for or on behalf of the Grand lodge, but I don't think it will be much longer before the matter is settled. Most of us want this matter resolved quickly but until it is Arkansas masons have to keep functioning as if Prince Hall lodges are clandestine. I have friends in the Prince hall Lodge and I would love to have them come sit with me in lodge or vice versa, but we just have to wait.Bro. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09792575839913610504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-52414653813140188932010-07-30T10:23:00.420-04:002010-07-30T10:23:00.420-04:00A body of Freemasons or of those improperly claimi...A body of Freemasons or of those improperly claiming to be Freemasons, uniting in a Lodge without the consent of a Grand Lodge, or, although originally legally constituted, continuing to work after its Charter has been revoked, is styled a Clandestine Lodge. Neither Anderson nor Entick employ the word. It was first used in the Book of Constitutions in a note by Noorthouck, on page 239 of his edition (see the Constitutions of 1784).Regular Lodge would be the better term.<br /><br /><br />- Source: Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry<br /><br />So, is the MWGLPHAoARK really clandestine?<br />or is that white Massa's propaganda to scare men into a segregated freemasonic state?<br /><br />what happens again to a mason if he masonically converses with a mason not deemed worthy by your GL?<br />TGAOTU I am sure agree's with this behavior!<br />LMAOTubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-56221240634757252422010-07-28T19:41:40.355-04:002010-07-28T19:41:40.355-04:00"You follow your obligations, and I'll fo..."You follow your obligations, and I'll follow mine"<br /><br />I'm tapping my elbow on this one. I submit to you that your obstinacy over a plea for peace does not balance out the "redneck racist" behavior you decry. <br /><br />Bro. John,<br /><br />I read this blog, not for the musings of the author, but for the wonderful insight that occasionally comes from readers such you you. Thank you for another viewpoint on the subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-66014870430704449192010-07-23T12:29:08.482-04:002010-07-23T12:29:08.482-04:00Sir Knight:
Racist -- adjective. Having hatred o...Sir Knight:<br /><br />Racist -- adjective. Having hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. <br /><br />Ass -- noun. A vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person. <br /><br />The Grand Lodge of Arkansas has shown itself to be comprised of men who meet these two definitions. Claiming the edict is simply about jurisdictional disputes shows that both descriptions I used are quite apropos. Stating the truth as I see it is not "speaking ill." <br /><br />You follow your obligations, and I'll follow mine.<br /><br />— W.S.Widow's Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-79056415843742747342010-07-23T12:08:06.075-04:002010-07-23T12:08:06.075-04:00The Reason the Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Arka...The Reason the Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Arkansas has issued the edict is not because P.H.A can purchase the plates, but rather that proceeds go to the Prince Hall Grand Lodge. Which is considered to be clandestine due to issues other than race including jurisdictional disputes not race. As for being called "racist asses" maybe we should not speak ill of Brother Master Masons. Currently the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Arkansas and the Grand Lodge of Arkansas are working toward joint recognition.geber87https://www.blogger.com/profile/01801875190350898093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-68241604661210591112010-05-02T18:50:42.865-04:002010-05-02T18:50:42.865-04:00Segregationists come in all colors, but segregatio...Segregationists come in all colors, but segregation does not belong in Freemasonry.<br /><br />"Masonry unites men of every country, sect, and opinion, and conciliates true friendship among those who might otherwise have remained at a perpetual distance."<br /><br />I am of the opinion that this applies to race as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11620930628051716792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-88034320366240089712010-05-02T16:41:08.876-04:002010-05-02T16:41:08.876-04:00First let me start with a fair and honest assessme...First let me start with a fair and honest assessment. I have seen racism in both lodges. I have seen many here at Prince Hall who would like to be recognized, but would not like to see their white brothers at their lodge, no more than they would at their church. Don't get me wrong, This is a good fight and we need to change the minds of many to push forward. But don't think for one moment that the fight is only within the white lodge, we have our share of work too. Now with that said remember this.... We take good men and make them better...NOT we take good men and kick them for not being better. If we all work at this in a kind and loving way, The outcome will be so much better.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580187588720924793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-66818757455496678132010-05-02T15:15:05.473-04:002010-05-02T15:15:05.473-04:00John,
I agree that disparaging remarks have no p...John, <br /><br />I agree that disparaging remarks have no place in any effort to promote harmony and have said as much. <br /><br />It is possible that some of our White brothers might be succumbing to a some sort of "white knight" syndrome in raising their voices against racism in Arkansas, but most are just mortified that the reputation of the fraternity we all love is being besmirched by a few very ignorant men. <br /><br />These brothers are rightly making the argument that these men do not represent them nor the majority of Masons anywhere. Those whom like our host W.S. that are sons of the South are even more vehement because of their proximity to the culture. But I doubt that any one of us consider you or any of your fellows "uneducated" or incapable of fighting your own fight. That my brother is a somewhat presumptuous on you part. <br /><br />I think that it is a good and proper that you remind us that it is your fight, but you must remember that our reputations, the reputation of Masonry and in general everything we believe to be right is in play here. It is everyman's duty to speak out against injustice when the encounter it. We are just fulfilling that duty.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11620930628051716792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-10749218357616470942010-05-02T14:05:01.657-04:002010-05-02T14:05:01.657-04:00To: Freddo
You asked:
"Why are some in the...To: Freddo<br /><br />You asked:<br /> <br />"Why are some in the South so...just...racist in recognizing the legitimate Lodges long maintained by their African-American Brethern"<br /><br />It was based on the below garbage from the "Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry"<br />________________________<br /><br />Negro Masonry<br /><br />"Since the writing of the article, a number of records of the Revolutionary Period have been discovered which have made it more clear why Negro, or Prince Hall, Masonry is clandestine in each and every American Grand Jurisdiction, and has been for more than a century. Prince Hall sent a petition for a Charter to the (Modern) Grand Lodge of Masons in 1777; according to Masonic law then in effect he should have submitted his petition to one or the other of the two already longest abolished Provincial Grand Lodges in Massachusetts, because he did not ask for a military warrant. Owing to war conditions, and to the chronic dilatoriness of the Modern Grand Lodge in responding to communications from America, the Charter was not received until 1787; yet during this inchoate period the self-styled African Lodge worked as a Lodge, made Masons, and helped to initiate the formation of other Negro Lodges, all in violation of Grand Lodge lau. The Charter itself became dormant, was rendered null and void, and was erased from the lists by the Grand Lodge of England.<br /><br />In 1827 a group of Negroes made use of this piece of paper, which had become completely devoid of authority, to set up a new "Grand Lodge," and in which they declared themselves independent of any other Lodge-which declaration was in itself a plain proclamation that in their own eyes they were a clandestine society, and therefore not entitled by either Masonic or civil last to use the name "Masonic." Bodies acting according to the so-called "Prince Hall Constitutions" (which never existed) have continued to be clandestine ever since. In 1930 they had 37 Grand Lodges, with some 750,000 members in some 5,000 to 6,000 Lodges; by 1940, and owing to the depression, the membership had declined to about 500,000."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838202523199830255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-81537141711757594982010-05-02T13:26:16.922-04:002010-05-02T13:26:16.922-04:00Please don't be offended, But we are quite cap...Please don't be offended, But we are quite capable of handling our own good fight. I grow weary of the "white knight" types who feel the need to "save" us poor uneducated black Mason Brother's from the superior white southern Mason who holds us back. From the outside looking in one might see just that, But don't be fooled by the way we here in the south slid into the things we need to face. We have our own way of working things out, and are doing just that. Please don't inflame the the men we will one day call a Brother.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838202523199830255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-83404851755075342242010-04-29T10:51:14.462-04:002010-04-29T10:51:14.462-04:00Bro. W.S.
I didn't mean to refer to your comme...Bro. W.S.<br />I didn't mean to refer to your comment in particular. I know from reading your blog that you are a Southerner. I am Cuban and regularly criticize my people when they adhere to Cuban stereotypes, I figure you are doing the same. <br /><br />I was trying to temper my remarks because I know I can come off as a little disparaging of Southern culture when dealing with the subject of PH recognition. It is sometimes hard for me not to when I consider the history that the South has with racial issues, but I realize that generalizations and stereotypes are equally misleading regardless of what culture they are applied to. <br /><br />I had wanted to become a Mason for a very long time, but I lived in Florida until just five years ago and my conscious wouldn't allow me to join an organization with these issues. <br /><br />I now live in Oregon where I am a proud member of the first lodge constituted on the Pacific Coast and the local Scottish Rite Valley. <br />But I am still bothered by the refusal of some GLs to join the rest of the world in the 21 century (or even the 20th for that matter)and while it is easy to point out the cultural roots of these attitudes, it is probably not useful in resolving the matter. <br />S&F<br />JAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11620930628051716792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-38055696744594726212010-04-28T18:16:37.689-04:002010-04-28T18:16:37.689-04:00Bro. Castaneda said: "To paint all of our Sou...Bro. Castaneda said: "To paint all of our Southern Brothers as ignorant red-necks and racists is incorrect, flagrantly unmasonic and extremely dim-witted in its oversimplification of the issue."<br /><br />I AM a Southern brother, and yes, I'm often dim-witted. <br /><br />But please note that when I wrote, "Way to go, you redneck racists," I was referring to the grand officers of the Grand Lodge of Arkansas, not to all Southern Masons.<br /><br />— W.S.Widow's Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-15976147557665535222010-04-28T17:55:51.995-04:002010-04-28T17:55:51.995-04:00Reason,
All the hyperbole aside. The claims that ...Reason,<br /><br />All the hyperbole aside. The claims that a brother was expelled without due process, and that a Lodge had its Charter unjustly arrested are still to be addressed. <br /><br />AS Masons, we should all be making an effort to keep our emotions within due bounds and discuss this rationally, regardless of where we might stand on the issue.<br /><br />Regardless of the particulars in this case Masons in Lodges and Grand Lodges throughout most of the world as well as in this country feel a certain amount of apprehension towards the policies of the ten remaining states that, whether or not you agree, tarnish the reputation of our great fraternity. <br /><br />Most people don't know or understand territorial jurisdiction and never will. All they see is that Mainstream Masonry in former confederate states refuse to admit black men into its Lodges. I can assure you that the majority of Masons do not want to be associated with segregation, not be cause its politically incorrect, but because it is just plain old incorrect period. <br /><br />To paint all of our Southern Brothers as ignorant red-necks and racists is incorrect, flagrantly unmasonic and extremely dim-witted in its oversimplification of the issue. But the complete denial that race has had anything to do with the exclusion of PH in mainstream Masonry is just that denial.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11620930628051716792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-49678424669644671152010-04-28T13:55:53.699-04:002010-04-28T13:55:53.699-04:00Just found this site and posting while Googling in...Just found this site and posting while Googling info on Alabama's new Masonic plate. <br /><br />Sadly, our State is one that has not yet found a way to come to grips with the PH, there being something like five differing PH GLs in this State, (though I'll admit there ma be more to it than that). I hope to live long enough to see reconciliation in this, and every other, State. Then, IMHO, we may finally see the full flowering of the Masonic tenets.Bull Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05788938246479519889noreply@blogger.com