tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post8556631209556815003..comments2023-10-09T12:55:26.688-04:00Comments on The Burning Taper: Your word, your honor, your integrityWidow's Sonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-51962764583554328152008-03-31T09:57:00.000-04:002008-03-31T09:57:00.000-04:00empiracally NO!He was discussed within a Lodge mee...empiracally NO!<BR/><BR/>He was discussed within a Lodge meeting for membership while he sat in Georgia. When he published an article about what was discussed within the meeting, it was due to getting an outline of what was discussed.<BR/><BR/>Again, nothing nefarious behind any of Halcyon's motives! We were above board always, our books were always available and every dime is traceable!<BR/><BR/>Nothing nefarious!?<BR/>We also did ask our DDGM to look into Brother Peaces non trial expulsion.<BR/>Nothing nefarious about that as well.Tubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-86527862881028817102008-03-29T20:06:00.000-04:002008-03-29T20:06:00.000-04:00"where does it state "HE SAT IN A TYLED LODGE?"As ..."where does it state "HE SAT IN A TYLED LODGE?"<BR/><BR/>As I said, I assumed it through the inferred meaning. You or another member from Halcyon can settle the question right now:<BR/><BR/>Did Jeff Peace sit in a tiled lodge or not before Halcyon split with GL?My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-80113916965106115282008-03-29T18:52:00.000-04:002008-03-29T18:52:00.000-04:00Just because brother peace is privy to lodge busin...Just because brother peace is privy to lodge business, does not mean he sat in lodge.<BR/><BR/>we can also vote on making a mason a member of our lodge without them sitting within it tyled?Tubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-85393874101129414052008-03-29T18:50:00.000-04:002008-03-29T18:50:00.000-04:00Yeah,and, where does it state "HE SAT IN A TYLED L...Yeah,<BR/><BR/>and, <BR/><BR/><BR/>where does it state "HE SAT IN A TYLED LODGE?"<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I missed that in your post?Tubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-45096388636831019282008-03-29T18:03:00.000-04:002008-03-29T18:03:00.000-04:00"the brothers of halcyon NEVER met with brother pe..."the brothers of halcyon NEVER met with brother peace in a tyled lodge?<BR/>More factual lies out there about Halcyon?"<BR/><BR/>2 ball,<BR/>I have found the article I got the information from, attributed to Jeff Peace, in which he claims to be a member of Halcyon #498. It's right here on the BT. I assumed from this article by Jeff Peace and his claimed membership (see the sig. line), that he had sat in a tiled lodge. Not the meeting you mention in specific. I extrapolated from this article by Jeff Peace that, before Halcyon split away from the GL of Ohio, he sat in a tiled lodge.<BR/><BR/>If it's not true, it's purely my error based on the article. If you still want to call it a 'factulal lie', at least, I hope you can see where the confusion arose (indicative portions separated by ***):<BR/><BR/>http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2007/09/guest-editorial-halcyon-lodge-moving.html<BR/><BR/>"Halcyon Lodge: Moving Freemasonry Forward by Bro. Jeff Peace<BR/><BR/>It's September and, after being dark for the summer, ***Halcyon Lodge No. 498 had its first meeting of the season last night where Wor. Bro. Ken Miller laid out our vision of the future.*** His talk was the culmination of years of planning and strategizing what is today Halcyon Lodge No. 498. Our new web site and discussion forums were brought online to coordinate with this event to reveal to the Masonic world our vision of the future of American Freemasonry.<BR/><BR/>Halcyon Lodge No. 498 is not your ordinary Masonic lodge composed of local Masons. It is the result of the combined efforts of brothers from across the United States that have worked quietly together over the past several years to turn our dreams into reality. It is my pleasure to share with our brothers from around the world the results of our labors...<BR/><BR/>***Jeff Peace, Halcyon Lodge No. 498, Cleveland***"My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-52039148566060686382008-03-29T17:45:00.000-04:002008-03-29T17:45:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-4756948371775600652008-03-27T13:55:00.000-04:002008-03-27T13:55:00.000-04:00I disagree Bro. Theron. There are good honest main...I disagree Bro. Theron. There are good honest mainstream Masons and then there are Hate-Masons.<BR/><BR/>Francois and Ed King both are promoters of hate, not brotherhood. Ed King writes vicious hate-filled attacks against other brothers on both his blog and his web site. These are not ideological attacks but personal attacks against the brothers.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like your Masonry being attacked then maybe you should think about how others feel about their Freemasonry.<BR/><BR/>If you're supporting Hate-Masonry and its advocates then you are being disingenuous. You can't have it both ways.<BR/><BR/>Hasn't there already been enough Hate-Masonry? Do you really want it to continue?<BR/><BR/>It's time to put a stop to the Hate-Masonry and get back to the basics of the Craft. <BR/><BR/>Going forward I'm going to be very supportive of all forms of Free-Masory, but take the Hate-Masons to task for their promotion of hatred and fear among the Craft.<BR/><BR/>I hope you and all other sincere brothers will join with me. Together we can stop the hatred before it becomes endemic.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-37376669173062338832008-03-27T13:53:00.000-04:002008-03-27T13:53:00.000-04:00"the brothers of halcyon NEVER met with brother pe..."the brothers of halcyon NEVER met with brother peace in a tyled lodge?<BR/>More factual lies out there about Halcyon?<BR/><BR/>Now why does it seem Frank has misinformation always about Halcyon?<BR/>Where did you get your inaccuracies from?<BR/>The Grand Lodge of Ohio?"<BR/><BR/>I got my misinformation from an apparently misunderstood posting from Jeff Peace, where he seemed to sat he 'sat in lodge' with the brothers at Halcyon. I took it to mean a tiled lodge. If this was in error, as you suggest, I willingly accept the sole responsibility for the error. None of it came from the GL of Ohio. I apologize for misreading Jeff Peace's statement and sincerely thank you for clearing it up.My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-68415887173378744182008-03-27T13:43:00.000-04:002008-03-27T13:43:00.000-04:00Tubalcain420his name is Francis, not Frank...I thi...Tubalcain420<BR/><BR/>his name is Francis, not Frank...<BR/><BR/>I think there is enough blame to go around without the unmasonic "Hate-masons" nonsense. You have acted as often as not worse than the men you are tossing the accusation at... and we have already discussed how you tend to shotgun accusations then note later that if it doesn't apply you should ignore it...<BR/><BR/>Regular masons and non regular masons all love the craft, or their understanding of it. Many regular masons do not consider you and Jeff and Karen and Cora and others to be masons. So what?<BR/><BR/>Why build your life and expectations on other people's thoughts and beliefs. If YOU know that you are acting as a mason, then get on with YOUR left and on perfecting YOUR ashlar in accordance with the teachings of the craft.<BR/><BR/>You can't change them, you can only change YOU. Stop worrying about everyone else's masonry and focus on your own, and you (and many of us) will be happier.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-24774215660026387332008-03-27T13:42:00.000-04:002008-03-27T13:42:00.000-04:00Bro. 2 Bowl,Francois is an atypical American Mains...Bro. 2 Bowl,<BR/><BR/>Francois is an atypical American Mainstream Freemason. He's here to stir the poo and defame others. He even says so:<BR/><BR/>"I pointed that out humorously, and it made some people hot under the collar as I intended." Francois-Marie Arouet<BR/><BR/>As you know brother 2 Bowl some Mainstream Masons promote "Hate-Masonry" instead of Free-Masonry. They want hate to reign supreme instead of universal brotherhood.<BR/><BR/>Just read through his posts. All Hate-Mason rhetoric, just like his mainstream brother Ed King.<BR/><BR/>I feel sorry for the good mainstream brothers who have to suffer so much shame at the hands of the Hate-Masons in their ranks.<BR/><BR/>Maybe one day they'll wake up and expel these people. Until then I suspect Hate-Masonry will continue.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-27660550260784394542008-03-27T12:38:00.000-04:002008-03-27T12:38:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-90749249196919395602008-03-27T12:00:00.000-04:002008-03-27T12:00:00.000-04:00another thing about Brother peace attending a tyle...another thing about Brother peace attending a tyled meeting that was open to the public, RWB Charles Berry was in attendance at this lecture, one of the Grand Lodges own was present, in an open Lodge.<BR/><BR/>So where did this lie start, brother........Tubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-92078705536911372042008-03-27T11:01:00.000-04:002008-03-27T11:01:00.000-04:00for clarification, brother peace gave a lecture in...for clarification, brother peace gave a lecture in our temple open to the public.<BR/><BR/>the brothers of halcyon NEVER met with brother peace in a tyled lodge?<BR/>More factual lies out there about Halcyon?<BR/><BR/>Now why does it seem Frank has misinformation always about Halcyon?<BR/>Where did you get your inaccuracies from? <BR/>The Grand Lodge of Ohio?<BR/><BR/>You have claimed we are being investigated for missappropriations of funds, a lie, and brother peace sat in a tyled Lodge,another lie!<BR/><BR/>So, frank, where and why with the false statements?<BR/><BR/>I know for a fact the grand Lodge of ohio has false statements in their colpaints, so that is the only place I can think of who would be feeding false information about us?<BR/><BR/>So, please frank, where are you getting these lies you are spreading about masons?Tubal Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00704479584240584425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-62444627362492717582008-03-25T18:40:00.000-04:002008-03-25T18:40:00.000-04:00"The GLGA never even asked to see the ritual. They..."The GLGA never even asked to see the ritual. They spent an hour questioning us about Prince Hall Freemasonry and whether or not we knew or were in contact with anyone from Prince Hall.<BR/><BR/>Past Masters form our lodge saw the ritual. They (GLGA and any brother) were free to attend any meeting. The RRCG wasn't a secret society. It was open to all the brothers."<BR/><BR/>Not what I expected, but not entirely unexpected either. Thank you for the reply, Howard. I understood the RRCG is still in operation? If so, I'll check it out next time I'm over there.My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-74011755224245520072008-03-25T15:33:00.000-04:002008-03-25T15:33:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ben Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01134816780768724747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-30551336769261123512008-03-25T15:18:00.000-04:002008-03-25T15:18:00.000-04:00It had nothing to do with a Parking Space...It had nothing to do with a Parking Space...Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-31329929000489043202008-03-25T15:00:00.000-04:002008-03-25T15:00:00.000-04:00"The Arizona Shrine fiasco, which I have come to u..."The Arizona Shrine fiasco, which I have come to understand was over the GM's micromanagement of a parking space, is all ego." - Ben R.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-83734712177731229672008-03-25T14:57:00.000-04:002008-03-25T14:57:00.000-04:00Francois,The GLGA never even asked to see the ritu...Francois,<BR/><BR/>The GLGA never even asked to see the ritual. They spent an hour questioning us about Prince Hall Freemasonry and whether or not we knew or were in contact with anyone from Prince Hall.<BR/><BR/>Past Masters form our lodge saw the ritual. They (GLGA and any brother) were free to attend any meeting. The RRCG wasn't a secret society. It was open to all the brothers.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-69902357989201733362008-03-25T14:56:00.000-04:002008-03-25T14:56:00.000-04:00Br. Howard Roark;You have several times on this bl...Br. Howard Roark;<BR/><BR/>You have several times on this blog referenced "events in Arizona regarding the Shrine and the Grand Lodge" and by implication, that the Grand Master somehow acted dictatorially...<BR/><BR/>Do you have any idea what the events were in Arizona the precipitated the yanking of the charter? I DO, and it was not a matter of dictatorial behavior... If you do not know what really happened there, you should not speak. <BR/><BR/>I know what happened there, and Grand Master Rex Hutcheson acted with restraint. The Shrine Imperial claimed they were not subject to the Grand Master, which is silly, since every one of them is a regular mason.<BR/><BR/>They disobeyed his edict, to stop certain activities. They refused and refused to meet with him. They are lucky it was only that one club he shut down and not all of the Shrine.<BR/><BR/>But I digress. You make a great point of folks not judging Halcyon based on the facts in play, because, as you have noted to me in phone calls, I don't have ALL the facts.<BR/><BR/>Fine, you should extend the same courtesy to the Grand Lodge of Arizona, and take ME at my word that he SHOULD have pulled recognition of the Shrine over their actions.<BR/><BR/>You really don't have all the facts, and I am not at liberty to divulge them. Extend a little charity to the GMoAZ here.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-41681934079461834032008-03-25T14:37:00.000-04:002008-03-25T14:37:00.000-04:00I suspect, although perhaps not handled appropriat...I suspect, although perhaps not handled appropriately, that the issue the GL had with Halcyon was not their charity work. It was likely the flagrant disregard for obligations in allowing Jeff Peace to visit a tiled meeting. They could of course have met with Mr. Peace and heard his side of the story. There is nothing in the obligations against that. As Master of the Lodge, there are obligations taken as well. <BR/><BR/>Thank you, Howard, for shedding more light on this matter. The more that is brought to light the better. I'd like to see Jeff Peace come out and tell the brothers what exactly the GL objected to when they removed him. Something in the RCG ritual more than anything it can only be assumed without more light on the subject.My Name is Still Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04850691431078980626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-66951967746862030072008-03-25T14:35:00.000-04:002008-03-25T14:35:00.000-04:00Go join the TracingBoard.com forums. I'll message ...Go join the TracingBoard.com forums. I'll message you with my email.<BR/><BR/>Join with username Ben R or something I will recognize.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-50318202442337434232008-03-25T14:23:00.000-04:002008-03-25T14:23:00.000-04:00I must be extra thick today, because I can't locat...I must be extra thick today, because I can't locate an e-mail address for you, even through your blogger.com page.Ben Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01134816780768724747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-32949828695260989672008-03-25T13:00:00.000-04:002008-03-25T13:00:00.000-04:00Ben R.There is something else you should know. (Pl...Ben R.<BR/><BR/>There is something else you should know. (Please feel free to contact me via email for more details.)<BR/><BR/>Each year Halcyon paid "rent" to the Temple Company. If they hadn't the Temple Company couldn't have paid the bills, taxes, etc. The temple was never free to use or maintain.<BR/><BR/>From a purely Masonic perspective nothing has changed. Halcyon or any other lodge that wants to meet in the temple still has to pay rent.<BR/><BR/>The benefits of the 501(c)(3) charity are many. The temple company can now file to be absolved of future property taxes. (about $11,000 per year). By opening the temple to cultural and community events the charity can generate income to further restore the building. The charity also provides a way of getting the community involved in the temple. Inner city youth boxing programs, youth theater groups and art classes, etc. <BR/><BR/>Through the charity Halcyon was able to become an active agent in their local community and demonstrate to their neighbors the greatness of the Craft.<BR/><BR/>When I was up at the temple one weekend, a man who lived across the street came by to talk. Some of the brothers showed him around the temple and explained what we were doing. He said that he had lived there for years but never been invited into the temple and was amazed at what he had been missing all those years.Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-34549482467592606952008-03-25T10:19:00.000-04:002008-03-25T10:19:00.000-04:00Howard,What is very clear to me (and something I'v...Howard,<BR/><BR/>What is very clear to me (and something I've stated numerous times) is that we have a double-edged sword in the culture of Freemasonry: Anyone may aspire to be Worshipful Master of a Lodge or Grand Master of Masons in a jurisdiction. <BR/><BR/>Meeting on the level is a beautiful idea that I've seen practiced beautifully. What's great about Freemasonry is anyone can sit in the big chair. However, the sun is eclipsed by the fact that anyone can sit in the big chair.<BR/><BR/>I would attribute some of the problems you mentioned to ego and some to inexperience and/or poor advising. The Arizona Shrine fiasco, which I have come to understand was over the GM's micromanagement of a parking space, is all ego. Perhaps the expulsion of the PGM of West Virginia was ego as well. However, the Halcyon situation strikes me as a result of both inexperience and very poor advising.<BR/><BR/>Keep in mind that Most Worshipful Brother Himes is an electrician by trade. He's not a professor of federal law. MWB Himes is a fine man and Mason, but no preparation in assuming the role of Grand Master could make him an expert in federal law, land transfers, restructuring for charitable activities, etc. So this is inexperience. Perhaps he also did not receive good counsel on the matter. In any case, this all relates directly to the two main points I've made in my replies here:<BR/><BR/>1. The structure of state-level Masonry can give too much power in too many situations to one man, and<BR/><BR/>2. The downside to the tenet of meeting on the level is that we may end up with men who, despite their best efforts and intentions, fall short of what may be required in certain circumstances to act accordingly.<BR/><BR/>I will try to grab a bit of MWB Himes's time to discuss these issues the next time I see him. I can't say how receptive he'll be, but if the opprtunity arises, I'll take it.<BR/><BR/>Ben R.Ben Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01134816780768724747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15872122.post-15272634848888767812008-03-25T09:50:00.000-04:002008-03-25T09:50:00.000-04:00Ben R., ironically, it was the DDGM that suggeste...Ben R., ironically, it was the DDGM that suggested the Charity as a way of saving the building. The Grand Lodge was aware of the situation but then decided it was a bad idea after the fact.<BR/><BR/>Francois, <BR/><BR/>Yes, Halcyon would have worked with the Grand Master. Within a day or two of the break they contacted the GM by phone but he refused to meet with them or even discuss the issue. I personally believe that he did not fully understand the implications of his demands. What had taken a law firm a couple of years to create could not be undone (according to federal law) in 48 hours.<BR/><BR/>The GM created a situation where his demands could not be complied with without breaking the law.<BR/><BR/>This is clearly a failure of leadership at multiple levels. A good leader would have pulled back and taken the time to listen before reacting blindly. This, however, seems to be a growing trend among Grand Masters. (Arizona Shrine debacle, West Virgina expulsion debacle, etc.)Howard Roarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330868779452286221noreply@blogger.com